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− | Often on the rec.games.pinball newsgroup, there are discussions over which vehicles will or will not hold a pinball machine (Here's a link to the [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/search?hl=en&group=rec.games.pinball&q=will+a+pin+fit+in+a question as asked on RGP]). | + | =Introduction= |
+ | Often on the rec.games.pinball newsgroup, there are discussions over which vehicles will or will not hold a pinball machine (Here's a link to the [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/search?hl=en&group=rec.games.pinball&q=will+a+pin+fit+in+a question as asked on RGP] and [https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vehicles-that-a-pinball-machine-fits-in a discussion on pinside]). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Word of caution:</b> Gottlieb System 3 games (and some 80B games) with the head/backbox folded for transport are taller than any other manufacturer / platform. The folded height for Gottlieb System 3 games is about 34", and the width of the backbox is 27". The height of the cabinet when the backbox is removed is 28". However, Gottlieb's "street level" System 3 games are less tall when folded for transport, and are instead about the same height as other traditional folded games from other manufacturers.<br><br><br> | ||
Below is a listing of vehicles, as well as specifics regarding said vehicles. | Below is a listing of vehicles, as well as specifics regarding said vehicles. | ||
+ | =Cabinet Sizes= | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Standard Cabinet Sizes== | ||
+ | |||
+ | {| class="wikitable sortable" | ||
+ | !Manufacturer | ||
+ | !System | ||
+ | !Game Style | ||
+ | !Folded Height | ||
+ | !Cabinet Body Dimensions | ||
+ | !Backbox Dimensions | ||
+ | !Notes | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Gottlieb | ||
+ | |System 1 | ||
+ | |Standard | ||
+ | |n/a | ||
+ | |H:21", L:52" (without shooter), 22-1/4" | ||
+ | |H:29-1/2", W:28-1/4", D:10-1/2" (bottom) to 12" (top) | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Gottlieb | ||
+ | |System 80A/80B | ||
+ | |Standard | ||
+ | |26" | ||
+ | |H:19.5", L:49.5" (with shooter rod), W22" | ||
+ | |W:28.5" | ||
+ | |Only games with the thin backbox (Super Orbit, Royal Flush Deluxe, Amazon Hunt, Rack 'em Up, Ready Aim Fire, Jacks to Open, Alien Star, The Games, El Dorado, Touchdown, Ice Fever, Chicago Cubs Triple Play, Bounty Hunter, Tag-Team) | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Gottlieb | ||
+ | |System 3, DMD | ||
+ | |Standard | ||
+ | |34" | ||
+ | |H:28", L:54-1/2" (with shooter rod), W:27" | ||
+ | |W:27" | ||
+ | |Folded height is taller than any other manufacturer. A few games have toppers. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Bally | ||
+ | |6803 | ||
+ | |Standard | ||
+ | |33" | ||
+ | |H:?, L:53" (with shooter rod), 50-1/2" (w/o shooter rod) W:?" | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |Motordome, Special Forces, Hardbody, etc. Dungeons & Dragons, Blackwater 100, and Escape from the Lost World are exceptions | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Bally/Williams | ||
+ | |WPC | ||
+ | |Standard | ||
+ | |29-1/2" | ||
+ | |H:24", L:52" (without shooter), W:22-1/2" | ||
+ | |H:28-1/2", W:28-3/4", D:6-1/2" (bottom) to 9-3/4" (top) | ||
+ | |Some games come with a gun handle, which adds 6"-7" to the length of the cabinet. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |Bally/Williams | ||
+ | |WPC | ||
+ | |SuperPin | ||
+ | |29-1/2" | ||
+ | |H:24", L:52" (without shooter), W:25" | ||
+ | |H:28-1/2", W:29", D:6-1/2" (bottom) to 9-3/4" (top) | ||
+ | |Some games come with a gun handle, which adds 6"-7" to the length of the cabinet. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Cabinet Size Exceptions== | ||
+ | |||
+ | {| class="wikitable sortable" | ||
+ | !Manufacturer | ||
+ | !Game Title | ||
+ | !System | ||
+ | !Game Style | ||
+ | !Folded Dimensions | ||
+ | !Cabinet Dimensions | ||
+ | !Backbox Dimensions | ||
+ | !Notes | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | =Vehicles= | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Acura == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>MDX (2000-2006)</b> - Will fit most games. STTNG fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>MDX (2007-2013)</b> - 2007+ lowered hatch height, TAF barely fit and left marks in ceiling. Will fit Stern, DE and Williams Widebody | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RDX (Unspecified Year)</b> - pins fit great, moved newer Sterns and older Bally's with no problems. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RDX(2014+)</b> - Will not fit a pin | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Audi == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>A3 Hatchback (Unspecified year)</b> - fits a pin with the backbox disconnected. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Q7 (Unspecified year)</b> - about 1" too short | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Q7 w/ third row seating (2013)</b> - BARELY fits...very tight | ||
+ | |||
+ | == BMW == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>525 Wagon (1993)</b> - Fits any older pin without folding head. Folding head units must be removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>X3 first generation E83 (2003-2010) & second generation F25 (2010-2014) </b> - Fits any standard pin when folded down (not in box) | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>X5</b> - Fits most standard sized modern pins. With Gottlieb DMD's you need to loosen the head and slide it down a little. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Buick == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Enclave (2008-Current)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down, some games like Gottlieb System 3 may need to be put on their sides. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Rendezvous (2001-2007) </b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Cadillac == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>SRX (2004-2009) </b> - Will fit most standard and wide body pinball machines. The backbox needs to be removed on Gottlieb System 3 pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>SRX (2010+)</b> - Will not fit | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Chevrolet == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Avalanche (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit at least two pins (and 5 people). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Chevette (1985)</b> - fit a Bally Playboy. Back seat folded down - loaded body through hatch, legs next to it, head on passenger seat (have to use right hand to hold head and shift). FYI — yes I got the hatch closed! | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>City Express (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit at least one pin comfortably. City Express is rebadged Nissan NV200. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Blazer (1995-2005)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Equinox (2005+)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. System 3s will not fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>HHR (Unspecified year)</b> - Will NOT fit, can put in head first but will hit roof and stick out back so hatch can't close | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Lumina (1995-2001)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Impala (2006)</b> - System 11 with the backbox removed, but it is a tight fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sonic (Hatchback) (Unspecified year)</b> - EM's will fit, not sure on modern machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Suburban (Chevy&GMC) (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Tahoe (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Tracker 4 Door (1999-2004)</b> - with the rear seat cushions removed will haul all standard and widebody machines. It still leaves room for a passenger, too. Will also fit modern New In Box - but driver's seat will need to be forward quite a bit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Trailblazer (2002-2009)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Note: rear seats do not fold down completely flat giving the cargo area a slanted surface - making it more difficult to load a machine (and you must be careful of the cabinet artwork). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Traverse (2009-2014)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Acadia (GMC) will fit Stern in box, Traverse must be unboxed due to hatch shape. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Chrysler == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>PT Cruiser (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit with rear seats removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Concorde (1993-1997)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>LHS (1994-1997)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>New Yorker (1994-1996)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Town & Country (Unspecified year)</b> - Fits widebody pin easily with one back seat still up. Rest of the back seats need to be folded down. Head must be folded or removed. Can fit 2 machines easily, possibly 3. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Dodge == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Durango (2011+)</b> - Fits any size pin with room to spare. Will fit two regular size pins if the back boxes are removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Grand Caravan (Unspecified year)</b> - Fits widebody pin easily with one back seat still up. Rest of the back seats need to be folded down. Head must be folded or removed. Can fit 2 machines easily, possibly 3. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Intrepid (1993-1997)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Journey (Unspecified year)</b> - Will NOT fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Magnum (Unspecified year)</b> - Fits Williams system 3-7 standard width machines with head removed and back seats folded down. Head must be put in flat, then tipped vertical at the gap where the back seats folded. Very tight fit for head box. Definitely will NOT fit WPC machines, or widebodies. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sprinter Van (Unspecified year)</b> - Fits all machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Eagle == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Vision (1993-1997)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Ford == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Bronco (1966-1977)</b> - All with tailgate down; backbox folded down or removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Crown Victoria LTD 4dr (1982-1991)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet in trunk with trunk lid tied down; backbox on back seat. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Edge (Unspecified year)</b> - Will hold a pin with head folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Edge (2006-2014)</b> - Will fit B/W and modern Stern with vertical space to spare | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Edge (2015+)</b> - Folded WPC, Capcom, and modern Stern are a tight fit. The backbox latch may need to be removed to avoid damaging the roof. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Escape (2000-2012)</b> - Will hold a pin with head folded down. 2012 will fit a NIB. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Escape (2013-2016)</b> - Fits Sterns, DE and Sega. Gottlieb System 3's are an inch too long. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Expedition (2007-2015+)</b> - Fits most pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Explorer 4 door (1990+)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. 2008 will fit NIB Stern. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>F-100 (1972-73)</b> - Full bed truck, can hold easily hold two games on legs (not recommended), or up to 6 games on end. 2-3 heads can be snugged onto the bench seat and room for driver. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Fiesta (2007)</b> - Will not fit a folded machine. Appears to be able to fit most EMs and early solid state games with the backbox removed, but the front seats may need to be pushed forward. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Flex (2014, but likely applies to all years)</b> - Will fit all WMS & Stern machines plus a dolly. Will fit games where the head detaches plus a dolly. Will not fit a GTB sys 3 upright without beheading due to cabinet height. Can fit GTB sys 3 laying down. Can fit a WMS game, a dolly, and a third person if you leave the second row passenger seat up. Will fit a boxed Stern, but the box will be crinkled. (i.e. it's <i>tight.</i>) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Flex with pin.jpg|200px|thumb|none|Ford Flex with pinball machine]]<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Focus wagon (Unspecified year)</b> - Will hold WPC machine + dolly. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Freestar(Unspecified year)</b> - Will hold at least two (one from back, one from side door (sideways)), possibly three if heads are removed or loosened. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Transit Cargo Van (2015+)</b> - 8 Fit in a medium or high top Ford Transit cargo van (on their chocks). Just did it, nice ride too. | ||
+ | Loading is super easy with a scissor lift or pin dolly. Back the back of the game to the rear bumper or side door and just stand it up into the van. Walk it to its desired load location, drape it with a moving blanket if you didn't wrap the game prior to loading and ratchet strap it to the wall. If you put them all bottoms (power switch) facing the walls you still have use of rear view mirror. Plenty of room to put legs down the middle or between each game. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Transit Connect (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit a couple pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <br clear=all> | ||
+ | |||
+ | == GMC == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Acadia (2009-2014)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Acadia will fit Stern in box, Chevy Traverse must be unboxed due to hatch shape. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Envoy (2002-2009)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Note: rear seats do not fold down completely flat giving the cargo area a slanted surface - making it more difficult to load a machine (and you must be careful of the cabinet artwork. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Jimmy (1995-2005)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Suburban(Chevy&GMC)(Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Terrain (2005+)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>GMC Yukon (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Yukon XL (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting). | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Honda == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>CR-V (2002-2006, 2012+)</b> - Can fit one pinball machine easily; fold down back of the seat only seat (do not fold it all the way forward) and using cardboard to slide game at angle into the car; coin door should be facing toward the front of the vehicle. 2014 will hold boxed Stern pinball. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Element (2003-2011)</b> - Will hold any pin. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Fit (2001-2014)</b> - Will hold most pins from 70s-current. Including widebody WPCs. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Fit (2013)</b> - A folded Sega Godzilla did not fit, and needed to be turned on its side. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Fit (2015)</b> - Will hold pin but cargo area slightly shorter than old body style. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>S2000 (all years)</b> - Will not fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Odyssey (1999-2004)</b> - Can fit one pinball machine in the back with the middle seats installed. Can fit two if the middle seats are removed and the machine is slid in through the sliding doors. Front seats may have to be moved forward some to allow the second machine to be slid in. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Odyssey (2004+)</b> - Two EMs with heads off fit in the back with the middle seats still in and heads behind the front seats (but it's tight). For pins with heads folded, only one fits. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Odyssey (2011-2015)</b> - One game will fit in the rear cargo area with the middle seats installed. A new in box game will fit with the middle seats installed if the seatbacks are folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | If the handle on the pillar between the doors is removed a second game can be slid in through the sliding doors (with middle seats removed of course). Front seats may have to be moved forward some to allow the second machine to be slid in. The sliding doors do not open as wide as the 1999-2004 models, so you may have to angle the game to get the head into the van. Stern games fit easier through the sliding doors as the head is narrower than WPC and Data East games. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Odyssey (2018)</b> - If you remove the middle row, you can fit 2 Sterns. One horizontal along the middle row, another will slide straight in from the back and it will also fit a dolly straight in. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Pilot (2009)</b> - Can easily fit one pinball machine or possibly two; back two rows of seating need to be folded down; will also fit two standard width games if the heads are removable; has also been used to move one older game with the head removed and one game with the head still on (both standard width games: The Simpsons Pinball | ||
+ | Party and Eight Ball). | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Pilot (2010-2015)</b> - Can fit two standard sized machines with folding heads without removing the heads. One machine is loaded through the rear, then turned sideways over the folded down rear seats. Head remains attached and folded down - it will be a tight fit with the headliner (ie - touching it), but works nonetheless without damage. The other game can be placed in the rear with the front of the cabinet facing the side of the sideways facing game sitting on the folded rear seats. Recommend putting some sturdy thick padding between the games just in case. Games moved this way : Williams 1995 "No Fear!" and Sega 1999 "Harley Davidson". | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Hyundai == | ||
+ | <b>Elantra (2011-2016)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Santa Fe (2001-2012)</b> - Machines fit easily, can also fit NIB machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Tuson (2006)</b> - Will fit one pin. Will also fit NIB Stern with pallet still strapped on (hatch still closes) | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Veracruz (Unspecified year)</b> - STTNG fit easily in, but the rear seats don't fold flat. Have to do some maneuvering to get it to slide the rest of the way. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Santa Fe Sport (2015)</b> - We fit in a DE/Sega Maverick but it wasn't easy. It's definitely a 2-person job. Nothing can be under the pin, not even a cargo mat. Take off the back seat headrests, fold the seats down, and slide the back seats as far forward as they'll go. Slide the pin in front-end first, then one person needs to push the back seats down as hard as you can and lift the front of the pin while the other person slowly slides it in from the cargo door. It should just barely fit below the headliner in the cargo door. The angle of the floor above the folded back seats makes things tight, and you have to lift the pin because it can't slide due to the angled floor. Getting it out was much easier and can be done by one person. Or take the head of the pin off and everything would fit with no problem. Update -- a White Water fit with no problem | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Infiniti == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>QX4 (1997-2003)</b> - will fit any one pin. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Jeep == | ||
+ | <b>Cherokee: XJ (1997-2001)</b> - Will fit most machines. Pinball 2000 is very tight. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Compass (2007)</b> - Will NOT work. Machine sticks out the back by about 18 inches and hatch does not close. Maybe if emergency situation, but not ideal. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Grand Cherokee (1999-2004)</b> - Can easily fit two wedgies, or one wedgie and one multi player EM game. Typically one wedgie head goes on the passenger seat. The larger of the two heads goes immediately behind the passenger seat. Two 2x4 platforms need to be constructed and used to raise the games above the wheel wells. This model series will also hold 1 DMD style game, with the head on. There is not a lot of vertical clearance, but enough. There is plenty of length and width, the choke point is with the height. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Grand Cherokee (2005-2010)</b> - Not enough vertical clearance to fit a pin without moving the head. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Grand Cherokee (2011-2015)</b> - Should fit most game models, but not much vertical clearance. Well I tried and was able to get a BSD in the back of a 2011 grand Cherokee. It was a loaner I got from a local dealer. It's a standard GC version, so I don't know if options change anything. It has about 30 1/4 inch vertical clearance carpet to opening bottom; giving about 1/2 inch clearance with the BSD head. Don't know about other games/manufacturers, but a Williams WPC does fit. Will not fit NIB Stern (about 1" interference with plastic hatch trim), unboxed fit but still tight. Will not fit Gottlieb System 3 - nothingnesses enough height clearance. Will fit Data East / Sega pins with a vertical clearance of about an inch. Some models come with a removable rubber mat which should be removed for the extra height clearance. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Liberty (2002-2007)</b> - Will fit a pin easily | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Trailhawk</b> - Vertical clearance is 28-1/2" and will not fit a WPC/modern folded pin. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Wrangler 2 door models: CJ, YJ, TJ, JK (1986+)</b> - Will NOT fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Wrangler Unlimited 4 door model(2007+)</b> - With the rear seats down, holds a Guns N' Roses (with the gun handle), so should hold any pin with a longer-than normal plunger. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Kia == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sorento (2011)</b> - DMD games with the head folded down (i.e. Alvin G Pistol Poker) will '''not''' fit into this vehicle without removing the head.<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sorento (Unspecified year)</b> - The second generation System 80B cabinet (Raven to Victory) will '''not''' fit through the rear door's opening, when the game is folded. However, the head hinges can be unbolted, so the head is able to slid down the cabinet body descreasing the overall height. The single ground strap going from the body to the head will have to be removed, as will the 2-pin inline connection used for the 110v feeding the fluorescent lamp. The main harness which is snaked between the driver board and CPU board may have to be removed from some of the straps holding it in place.<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | The game used to confirm this was a Hollywood Heat. Even though Rock has the same backbox as the other games mentioned, it may acually fit, because the cabinet body is not as tall. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Soul (Unspecified year)</b> - With the rear seats down, the Soul can fit either a Gottlieb System 1 game or a Bally -17 game with the backbox removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sportage 2nd Gen(2005-2010)</b> - Most pins will fit, Gottlieb System 3 are too tight and must be on their sides. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Sportage 3rd Gen(2011+)</b> - Will NOT fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Telluride Gen(2020+)</b> - Will fit NIB Stern and most other pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Land Rover == | ||
+ | <b>Range Rover - Non Sport Model (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit a pinball machine | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Range Rover - Sport Model (Unspecified year)</b> - Will NOT fit | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Lexus == | ||
+ | <b>RX 350 (2012)</b> - Will fit WPC pinball machines | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RX 330 (2005)</b> - Will fit almost every make of pinball machine (with the sole exception of Data East) | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Mazda == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>CX-5 (2012-up)</b> - Should fit any pin backbox folded, system 3 will be tight vertically | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>CX-7 (2010)</b> - Tried to move a badcats and it did not fit. Needed about another 2 inches of clearance. So, pins with a backbox that folds down will not fit; but older em/ss where the head comes off should be fine. You also could unbolt the head of the ones that fold and bring it down the playfield a bit; and they might fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>CX-9 (2013)</b> - Will fit all modern, folding pins. Biggest I've personally tried is Fish Tales with the topper. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Mazda5 (2010)</b> - Will fit most modern, folding pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Tribute (2002)</b> - Will fit all modern, folding pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Mitsubishi == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outlander (2009)</b> - Has been used to move Williams Black Knight, Gottlieb 300, Williams Pin*Bot, Williams Flash, Gottlieb World Fair; will likely not hold a game with a non-standard plunger, such as a Terminator 2, Shadow, or Guns N' Roses. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Mercedes == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Benz ML-350 (2005)</b> - Will fit most pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Nissan == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>NV200 (2013-19)</b> - Will fit at least one pin comfortably. Cargo area is 81" deep (with bulkhead partition installed) x 48" wide between wheel wells. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Pathfinder (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit any standard or wide body with the two back rows of seats folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Rogue (2012)</b> - Folded WPC will not fit. 29" from floor without mat to top of hatch. Must remove head. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Rogue Sport (2017)</b> - Bally Arena fit snug when laid on its side, still had room length wise, height was snug.Had room for a dolly as well | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[File:Arena Pinball 2017 Nissan Rogue Sport.jpg|200px|thumb|none|Nissan Rouge Sport with Pinball Machine]]<br> | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Rogue (2023)</b> - WPC will fit (Fish Tales with fishing rod shooter). SPIKE 2 will fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Murano (2012)</b> - Folded WPC will not fit. Bumps on ceiling for hatch hinge and seat belt shoulder strap. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Versa (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit a WPC game, if the head is removed. Body sits in passenger seat with seat tilted all the way back. Driver's side rear door needs to have its pin removed, which limits how far the door opens. Cabinet can be slid into vehicle through driver's side rear. It's crazy, but I've seen this done first hand! | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>X-Trail (Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit any standard or wide body with the rear seats folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Xterra (2005-2015+)</b> - Will fit most pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Oldsmobile == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Cutlass Supreme (1995)</b> - Was *just* able to handle the body of a 1978 Bally 'Lost World' accross the back seats (doors closed properly, but with very little free room); with the head removed and laid on its back in the trunk. Other GM W-Body cars of this era and even newer ones *may* be able to accomodate an equivalently sized game similarly. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Pontiac == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Aztek (2001-2005)</b> - Will fit most machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Matrix (2003-2010)</b> - Will fit machines with head removed (including folding heads); includes WPC, System 11, Bally SS, and Bally wide body (specifically Paragon); load body shooter first, then slide in head next to it; place moving blanket between them and a ratchet strap over top. Hatch opening is too rounded by about 2" to fit with folding heads attached. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Vibe (Unspecified year)</b> - Will NOT fit a pinball, hatch is too rounded. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | == Porsche == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Cayenne (Unspecified year)</b> - Will NOT fit a pinball, hatch is too rounded. It will fit an EM (GTB Rack-A-Ball). | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Renaut == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Clio (Unspecified year)</b> - Everyone of my pinballs have been transported in my Renault Clio! In the last trip... a Firepower, me, my girlfriend and her Australian shepherd. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Saturn == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outlook (2007-2010)</b> - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Vue (Unspecified year)</b> - machines must be placed on their sides, but will fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Scion == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Scion Xb (2003-2006)</b> - Will fit any pin. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Scion Xb (2008+)</b> - Will fit any pin, system 3 will scrape the roof but will squeeze in | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Scion XD (all years)</b> - Standard body pin with head removed will fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Subaru == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Forester (2000+)</b> - Back seats folded down - fits WPC, early 80's Bally, modern Stern, Williams Joust. Gottlieb System 3, late 80's Bally, Safecracker, Banzai Run has to be put in on their side. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Forester (2014-2015)</b> - Back seats folded down - fits all early standard/widebody SS pins with the backbox removed. Fits pins with a folded height of 31" or less. Fits Williams System 11 & WPC standard/widebody, but may scrape the roof lining. Fits folding Gottlieb 80A games. Gottlieb System 80B & System 3 DMD games need to be on their side, or the backbox needs to be removed. Gottlieb ultra widebody games are a difficult fit--best way is lay the backbox down on the cabinet, but it will scrape the roof lining. Pin 2000 games will fit, but it's tight--the passenger seat needs to be pushed fully forward and the backbox must be removed and placed on its side. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>GL Wagon (1979-1989)</b> - All standard machines with removable backbox; back seat folded down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Impreza hatchback (Unspecified year)</b> - Gottlieb EMs (2 player) and Bally SS machines fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outback (Unspecified year)</b> - will NOT fit. Maybe able to get in mostly, but can't close hatch...not a good option for long trips. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outback (2016)</b> - will NOT fit a standard modern Stern machine. Will fit standard width early solid state machines that have removable (Non-hinged) head boxes. Tight fit around the hatch. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outback Legacy (1994-1998)</b> - will fit most pins. System 3 hang out the back about 6". | ||
+ | <b>Outback Legacy (1998-2003)</b> - will fit most pins with the child restraint anchor removed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Outback Legacy (2003-2009)</b> - should fit most pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Tesla == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Model X</b> - Will fit with great difficulty across the back seats loaded in sideways. | ||
+ | [[File:pin_in_model_X.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Model X with pinball machine]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Cybertruck</b> - Will not fit any machine from any manufacturer with head attached and tonneau cover closed.[[File:cybertruck_pinball.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Cybertruck with pinball machine bulging out of its storage cubby]] | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Toyota == | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>4Runner (2009+)</b> - Will fit most modern machines. NIB will fit. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Corolla Wagon/hatchback (1992)</b> - Will fit most modern machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>FJ Cruiser (2007+)</b> - Will fit most machines. NIB Stern will not allow hatch to close (about 6") - a bungee cord will help. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Highlander (2000-2007, 2013)</b> - Will fit most modern machines. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Highlander (2018)</b> - Will fit most modern machines. 2 early SS or EMs will fit between the wheel wells if you turn them on their sides, or put one in the front of the wheel wells. You can lay the heads on top of the bodies. There are 2 tiedowns near the 3rd row of seats. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Matrix (2003-2013)</b> - Will fit machines with head removed (including folding heads); includes WPC, System 11, Bally SS, and Bally wide body (specifically Paragon); load body shooter first, then slide in head next to it; place moving blanket between them and a ratchet strap over top. The hatch opening is too rounded by about 2" to fit with folding heads attached. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Prius C (2012-2019)</b> - If the backbox/head is removed, the back seats folded flat and the front seats moved up a Prius C will fit the body of a standard pinball machine with the rear hatch closed. It is recommended to put the taller head end of the machine in first so that it touches the front seats, this way it wont interfere with the sloped hatch and the front seats can be moved further back however it will fit in both directions. Should be able to hold a head removed wide body as there is about 38 1/2 inches of clear width in the hatch however that is untested. You maybe able to fit the backbox in the passenger seat with a pin in the back however it would be extremely tight, if its close just make another trip or bring another car and put it in the trunk. I was able to fit a standard dolly in the Prius C at the same time as the body of a pin but your results will differ based on your specific dolly. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Prius V (Unspecified year)</b> - I was pleased to discover that the Prius V could handle a Black Hole and a Paragon. Different trips of course. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>Prius 2010 Model 3</b> - Take the head off, rear seats down, cabinet with coin door towards rear. Front Passenger seat fully reclined, head spans over center console and onto the dash (wrapped in moving blanket) - propped up to keep head from kicking the car into neutral. - Not recommended - but it can be done! | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RAV4 (Unspecified year)</b> - Must remove rear seats. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RAV4 (2005-2015)</b> - Fist most pins. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RAV4 (2007)</b> - Easily handles modern games including space for an appliance dolly, after folding down the rear seats. Haven't tried NIB. Very flat entry and mostly flat floor (except for a little bump where the seats fold) so easy to load and unload, even by yourself. | ||
+ | |||
+ | <b>RAV4 (2013)</b> - Fist most pins, including Gottlieb System 3. | ||
− | <b> | + | <b>RAV4 (2019, 5th generation)</b> - Fits a WPC, but with some issues. Seats do not lie flat which makes sliding the pin difficult. Head comes close to the roof, if not actually rubbing - try taking off any rubber protection on the back of the seat. If the game has a gun for the shooter, it can touch or come close to the driver's seat. |
− | <b> | + | <b>RAV4 (2022)</b> - Fits games with head off. Fits a modern stern, but is incredibly tight |
− | <b> | + | <b>Sequoia (2008)</b> - Fits pins no problem. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Sienna (2013)</b> - will hold 2 pins with the middle seats removed. Both loaded from the back but the first pin is turned 90 degrees behind the front seats, second pin was loaded back box first. One pin will fit a 2004 with second row seats in place. |
− | + | ||
− | + | <b>Tacoma Pre-Runner (Unspecified year)</b> - fits great. | |
− | |||
− | <b> | + | <b>Venza (Unspecified year; possibly 2009 or 2010)</b> - Back seat folded down. Tried to shoehorn a WMS Cyclone (System 11). Had to remove nuts from head side of hinge, and slide head forward approx. 3-4 inches on top of cabinet. Ground braid from cab to head had to be removed from stud in head. Very, very, very tight fit! Note: tallest measurement with head folded on Cyclone was 30".<br> |
− | + | == Volkswagen == | |
− | |||
− | <b> | + | <b>Atlas (2019-2023)</b> - Will fit 1 machine without problems. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Golf TDi SportWagon (2015)</b> - Will hold a machine; a bit too tight for a fold-down newer game though. Seats don't fold down flat, so there is a bit of a 'rise' on the folded seats. Have *not* tried the two '69' wedgies trick yet. |
− | fold-down newer game though | ||
− | <b> | + | <b>Jetta TDi SportWagon (2010-14)</b> - Will hold a machine; a bit too tight for a fold-down newer game though. Seats fold down completely and lay flat. Can fit two wedgehead coffins on their sides in a '69' position. Then the two heads can barely fit on the passenger seat. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Passat Wagon (2005)</b> - 30.5 inches of height. Will fit most machines, even DMD's. Dr Who & TZ fit no problem. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Sharan(Unspecified year)</b> - Will fit 1 machine without problems. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Tiguan (2011)</b> - Was able to fit a T2. It was fairly easy to get in but a bit tricky to remove. |
− | <b> | + | <b>Tiguan (2012)</b> - Will NOT fit newer folded pins (about 1" too short), Early SS and EMs fit fine with the head removed, System 11 has also fit. |
− | + | <b>Toureg (Unspecified year)</b> - Will hold machine, at least an early 70's version (like Bally Circus) | |
− | + | == Volvo == | |
− | <b> | + | <b>240DL Station Wagon (1984)</b> - Almost any pin fits (except Hercules) with the head folded down. |
Latest revision as of 00:29, 27 August 2024
1 Introduction
Often on the rec.games.pinball newsgroup, there are discussions over which vehicles will or will not hold a pinball machine (Here's a link to the question as asked on RGP and a discussion on pinside).
Word of caution: Gottlieb System 3 games (and some 80B games) with the head/backbox folded for transport are taller than any other manufacturer / platform. The folded height for Gottlieb System 3 games is about 34", and the width of the backbox is 27". The height of the cabinet when the backbox is removed is 28". However, Gottlieb's "street level" System 3 games are less tall when folded for transport, and are instead about the same height as other traditional folded games from other manufacturers.
Below is a listing of vehicles, as well as specifics regarding said vehicles.
2 Cabinet Sizes
2.1 Standard Cabinet Sizes
Manufacturer | System | Game Style | Folded Height | Cabinet Body Dimensions | Backbox Dimensions | Notes |
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Gottlieb | System 1 | Standard | n/a | H:21", L:52" (without shooter), 22-1/4" | H:29-1/2", W:28-1/4", D:10-1/2" (bottom) to 12" (top) | |
Gottlieb | System 80A/80B | Standard | 26" | H:19.5", L:49.5" (with shooter rod), W22" | W:28.5" | Only games with the thin backbox (Super Orbit, Royal Flush Deluxe, Amazon Hunt, Rack 'em Up, Ready Aim Fire, Jacks to Open, Alien Star, The Games, El Dorado, Touchdown, Ice Fever, Chicago Cubs Triple Play, Bounty Hunter, Tag-Team) |
Gottlieb | System 3, DMD | Standard | 34" | H:28", L:54-1/2" (with shooter rod), W:27" | W:27" | Folded height is taller than any other manufacturer. A few games have toppers. |
Bally | 6803 | Standard | 33" | H:?, L:53" (with shooter rod), 50-1/2" (w/o shooter rod) W:?" | Motordome, Special Forces, Hardbody, etc. Dungeons & Dragons, Blackwater 100, and Escape from the Lost World are exceptions | |
Bally/Williams | WPC | Standard | 29-1/2" | H:24", L:52" (without shooter), W:22-1/2" | H:28-1/2", W:28-3/4", D:6-1/2" (bottom) to 9-3/4" (top) | Some games come with a gun handle, which adds 6"-7" to the length of the cabinet. |
Bally/Williams | WPC | SuperPin | 29-1/2" | H:24", L:52" (without shooter), W:25" | H:28-1/2", W:29", D:6-1/2" (bottom) to 9-3/4" (top) | Some games come with a gun handle, which adds 6"-7" to the length of the cabinet. |
2.2 Cabinet Size Exceptions
Manufacturer | Game Title | System | Game Style | Folded Dimensions | Cabinet Dimensions | Backbox Dimensions | Notes |
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3 Vehicles
3.1 Acura
MDX (2000-2006) - Will fit most games. STTNG fit.
MDX (2007-2013) - 2007+ lowered hatch height, TAF barely fit and left marks in ceiling. Will fit Stern, DE and Williams Widebody
RDX (Unspecified Year) - pins fit great, moved newer Sterns and older Bally's with no problems.
RDX(2014+) - Will not fit a pin
3.2 Audi
A3 Hatchback (Unspecified year) - fits a pin with the backbox disconnected.
Q7 (Unspecified year) - about 1" too short
Q7 w/ third row seating (2013) - BARELY fits...very tight
3.3 BMW
525 Wagon (1993) - Fits any older pin without folding head. Folding head units must be removed.
X3 first generation E83 (2003-2010) & second generation F25 (2010-2014) - Fits any standard pin when folded down (not in box)
X5 - Fits most standard sized modern pins. With Gottlieb DMD's you need to loosen the head and slide it down a little.
3.4 Buick
Enclave (2008-Current) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down, some games like Gottlieb System 3 may need to be put on their sides.
Rendezvous (2001-2007) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
3.5 Cadillac
SRX (2004-2009) - Will fit most standard and wide body pinball machines. The backbox needs to be removed on Gottlieb System 3 pins.
SRX (2010+) - Will not fit
3.6 Chevrolet
Avalanche (Unspecified year) - Will fit at least two pins (and 5 people).
Chevette (1985) - fit a Bally Playboy. Back seat folded down - loaded body through hatch, legs next to it, head on passenger seat (have to use right hand to hold head and shift). FYI — yes I got the hatch closed!
City Express (Unspecified year) - Will fit at least one pin comfortably. City Express is rebadged Nissan NV200.
Blazer (1995-2005) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
Equinox (2005+) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. System 3s will not fit.
HHR (Unspecified year) - Will NOT fit, can put in head first but will hit roof and stick out back so hatch can't close
Lumina (1995-2001) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
Impala (2006) - System 11 with the backbox removed, but it is a tight fit.
Sonic (Hatchback) (Unspecified year) - EM's will fit, not sure on modern machines.
Suburban (Chevy&GMC) (Unspecified year) - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting).
Tahoe (Unspecified year) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
Tracker 4 Door (1999-2004) - with the rear seat cushions removed will haul all standard and widebody machines. It still leaves room for a passenger, too. Will also fit modern New In Box - but driver's seat will need to be forward quite a bit.
Trailblazer (2002-2009) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Note: rear seats do not fold down completely flat giving the cargo area a slanted surface - making it more difficult to load a machine (and you must be careful of the cabinet artwork).
Traverse (2009-2014) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Acadia (GMC) will fit Stern in box, Traverse must be unboxed due to hatch shape.
3.7 Chrysler
PT Cruiser (Unspecified year) - Will fit with rear seats removed.
Concorde (1993-1997) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
LHS (1994-1997) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
New Yorker (1994-1996) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
Town & Country (Unspecified year) - Fits widebody pin easily with one back seat still up. Rest of the back seats need to be folded down. Head must be folded or removed. Can fit 2 machines easily, possibly 3.
3.8 Dodge
Durango (2011+) - Fits any size pin with room to spare. Will fit two regular size pins if the back boxes are removed.
Grand Caravan (Unspecified year) - Fits widebody pin easily with one back seat still up. Rest of the back seats need to be folded down. Head must be folded or removed. Can fit 2 machines easily, possibly 3.
Intrepid (1993-1997) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
Journey (Unspecified year) - Will NOT fit.
Magnum (Unspecified year) - Fits Williams system 3-7 standard width machines with head removed and back seats folded down. Head must be put in flat, then tipped vertical at the gap where the back seats folded. Very tight fit for head box. Definitely will NOT fit WPC machines, or widebodies.
Sprinter Van (Unspecified year) - Fits all machines.
3.9 Eagle
Vision (1993-1997) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
3.10 Ford
Bronco (1966-1977) - All with tailgate down; backbox folded down or removed.
Crown Victoria LTD 4dr (1982-1991) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet in trunk with trunk lid tied down; backbox on back seat.
Edge (Unspecified year) - Will hold a pin with head folded down.
Edge (2006-2014) - Will fit B/W and modern Stern with vertical space to spare
Edge (2015+) - Folded WPC, Capcom, and modern Stern are a tight fit. The backbox latch may need to be removed to avoid damaging the roof.
Escape (2000-2012) - Will hold a pin with head folded down. 2012 will fit a NIB.
Escape (2013-2016) - Fits Sterns, DE and Sega. Gottlieb System 3's are an inch too long.
Expedition (2007-2015+) - Fits most pins.
Explorer 4 door (1990+) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. 2008 will fit NIB Stern.
F-100 (1972-73) - Full bed truck, can hold easily hold two games on legs (not recommended), or up to 6 games on end. 2-3 heads can be snugged onto the bench seat and room for driver.
Fiesta (2007) - Will not fit a folded machine. Appears to be able to fit most EMs and early solid state games with the backbox removed, but the front seats may need to be pushed forward.
Flex (2014, but likely applies to all years) - Will fit all WMS & Stern machines plus a dolly. Will fit games where the head detaches plus a dolly. Will not fit a GTB sys 3 upright without beheading due to cabinet height. Can fit GTB sys 3 laying down. Can fit a WMS game, a dolly, and a third person if you leave the second row passenger seat up. Will fit a boxed Stern, but the box will be crinkled. (i.e. it's tight.)
Focus wagon (Unspecified year) - Will hold WPC machine + dolly.
Freestar(Unspecified year) - Will hold at least two (one from back, one from side door (sideways)), possibly three if heads are removed or loosened.
Transit Cargo Van (2015+) - 8 Fit in a medium or high top Ford Transit cargo van (on their chocks). Just did it, nice ride too. Loading is super easy with a scissor lift or pin dolly. Back the back of the game to the rear bumper or side door and just stand it up into the van. Walk it to its desired load location, drape it with a moving blanket if you didn't wrap the game prior to loading and ratchet strap it to the wall. If you put them all bottoms (power switch) facing the walls you still have use of rear view mirror. Plenty of room to put legs down the middle or between each game.
Transit Connect (Unspecified year) - Will fit a couple pins.
3.11 GMC
Acadia (2009-2014) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Acadia will fit Stern in box, Chevy Traverse must be unboxed due to hatch shape.
Envoy (2002-2009) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down. Note: rear seats do not fold down completely flat giving the cargo area a slanted surface - making it more difficult to load a machine (and you must be careful of the cabinet artwork.
Jimmy (1995-2005) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
Suburban(Chevy&GMC)(Unspecified year) - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting).
Terrain (2005+) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
GMC Yukon (Unspecified year) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
Yukon XL (Unspecified year) - Will fit up to three machines providing one head can be removed(EM, Early SS, or lots of unplugging/unbolting).
3.12 Honda
CR-V (2002-2006, 2012+) - Can fit one pinball machine easily; fold down back of the seat only seat (do not fold it all the way forward) and using cardboard to slide game at angle into the car; coin door should be facing toward the front of the vehicle. 2014 will hold boxed Stern pinball.
Element (2003-2011) - Will hold any pin.
Fit (2001-2014) - Will hold most pins from 70s-current. Including widebody WPCs.
Fit (2013) - A folded Sega Godzilla did not fit, and needed to be turned on its side.
Fit (2015) - Will hold pin but cargo area slightly shorter than old body style.
S2000 (all years) - Will not fit.
Odyssey (1999-2004) - Can fit one pinball machine in the back with the middle seats installed. Can fit two if the middle seats are removed and the machine is slid in through the sliding doors. Front seats may have to be moved forward some to allow the second machine to be slid in.
Odyssey (2004+) - Two EMs with heads off fit in the back with the middle seats still in and heads behind the front seats (but it's tight). For pins with heads folded, only one fits.
Odyssey (2011-2015) - One game will fit in the rear cargo area with the middle seats installed. A new in box game will fit with the middle seats installed if the seatbacks are folded down.
If the handle on the pillar between the doors is removed a second game can be slid in through the sliding doors (with middle seats removed of course). Front seats may have to be moved forward some to allow the second machine to be slid in. The sliding doors do not open as wide as the 1999-2004 models, so you may have to angle the game to get the head into the van. Stern games fit easier through the sliding doors as the head is narrower than WPC and Data East games.
Odyssey (2018) - If you remove the middle row, you can fit 2 Sterns. One horizontal along the middle row, another will slide straight in from the back and it will also fit a dolly straight in.
Pilot (2009) - Can easily fit one pinball machine or possibly two; back two rows of seating need to be folded down; will also fit two standard width games if the heads are removable; has also been used to move one older game with the head removed and one game with the head still on (both standard width games: The Simpsons Pinball Party and Eight Ball).
Pilot (2010-2015) - Can fit two standard sized machines with folding heads without removing the heads. One machine is loaded through the rear, then turned sideways over the folded down rear seats. Head remains attached and folded down - it will be a tight fit with the headliner (ie - touching it), but works nonetheless without damage. The other game can be placed in the rear with the front of the cabinet facing the side of the sideways facing game sitting on the folded rear seats. Recommend putting some sturdy thick padding between the games just in case. Games moved this way : Williams 1995 "No Fear!" and Sega 1999 "Harley Davidson".
3.13 Hyundai
Elantra (2011-2016) - All standard machines with removable backbox; main cabinet on back seat; backbox in trunk.
Santa Fe (2001-2012) - Machines fit easily, can also fit NIB machines.
Tuson (2006) - Will fit one pin. Will also fit NIB Stern with pallet still strapped on (hatch still closes)
Veracruz (Unspecified year) - STTNG fit easily in, but the rear seats don't fold flat. Have to do some maneuvering to get it to slide the rest of the way.
Santa Fe Sport (2015) - We fit in a DE/Sega Maverick but it wasn't easy. It's definitely a 2-person job. Nothing can be under the pin, not even a cargo mat. Take off the back seat headrests, fold the seats down, and slide the back seats as far forward as they'll go. Slide the pin in front-end first, then one person needs to push the back seats down as hard as you can and lift the front of the pin while the other person slowly slides it in from the cargo door. It should just barely fit below the headliner in the cargo door. The angle of the floor above the folded back seats makes things tight, and you have to lift the pin because it can't slide due to the angled floor. Getting it out was much easier and can be done by one person. Or take the head of the pin off and everything would fit with no problem. Update -- a White Water fit with no problem
3.14 Infiniti
QX4 (1997-2003) - will fit any one pin.
3.15 Jeep
Cherokee: XJ (1997-2001) - Will fit most machines. Pinball 2000 is very tight.
Compass (2007) - Will NOT work. Machine sticks out the back by about 18 inches and hatch does not close. Maybe if emergency situation, but not ideal.
Grand Cherokee (1999-2004) - Can easily fit two wedgies, or one wedgie and one multi player EM game. Typically one wedgie head goes on the passenger seat. The larger of the two heads goes immediately behind the passenger seat. Two 2x4 platforms need to be constructed and used to raise the games above the wheel wells. This model series will also hold 1 DMD style game, with the head on. There is not a lot of vertical clearance, but enough. There is plenty of length and width, the choke point is with the height.
Grand Cherokee (2005-2010) - Not enough vertical clearance to fit a pin without moving the head.
Grand Cherokee (2011-2015) - Should fit most game models, but not much vertical clearance. Well I tried and was able to get a BSD in the back of a 2011 grand Cherokee. It was a loaner I got from a local dealer. It's a standard GC version, so I don't know if options change anything. It has about 30 1/4 inch vertical clearance carpet to opening bottom; giving about 1/2 inch clearance with the BSD head. Don't know about other games/manufacturers, but a Williams WPC does fit. Will not fit NIB Stern (about 1" interference with plastic hatch trim), unboxed fit but still tight. Will not fit Gottlieb System 3 - nothingnesses enough height clearance. Will fit Data East / Sega pins with a vertical clearance of about an inch. Some models come with a removable rubber mat which should be removed for the extra height clearance.
Liberty (2002-2007) - Will fit a pin easily
Trailhawk - Vertical clearance is 28-1/2" and will not fit a WPC/modern folded pin.
Wrangler 2 door models: CJ, YJ, TJ, JK (1986+) - Will NOT fit.
Wrangler Unlimited 4 door model(2007+) - With the rear seats down, holds a Guns N' Roses (with the gun handle), so should hold any pin with a longer-than normal plunger.
3.16 Kia
Sorento (2011) - DMD games with the head folded down (i.e. Alvin G Pistol Poker) will not fit into this vehicle without removing the head.
Sorento (Unspecified year) - The second generation System 80B cabinet (Raven to Victory) will not fit through the rear door's opening, when the game is folded. However, the head hinges can be unbolted, so the head is able to slid down the cabinet body descreasing the overall height. The single ground strap going from the body to the head will have to be removed, as will the 2-pin inline connection used for the 110v feeding the fluorescent lamp. The main harness which is snaked between the driver board and CPU board may have to be removed from some of the straps holding it in place.
The game used to confirm this was a Hollywood Heat. Even though Rock has the same backbox as the other games mentioned, it may acually fit, because the cabinet body is not as tall.
Soul (Unspecified year) - With the rear seats down, the Soul can fit either a Gottlieb System 1 game or a Bally -17 game with the backbox removed.
Sportage 2nd Gen(2005-2010) - Most pins will fit, Gottlieb System 3 are too tight and must be on their sides.
Sportage 3rd Gen(2011+) - Will NOT fit.
Telluride Gen(2020+) - Will fit NIB Stern and most other pins.
3.17 Land Rover
Range Rover - Non Sport Model (Unspecified year) - Will fit a pinball machine
Range Rover - Sport Model (Unspecified year) - Will NOT fit
3.18 Lexus
RX 350 (2012) - Will fit WPC pinball machines
RX 330 (2005) - Will fit almost every make of pinball machine (with the sole exception of Data East)
3.19 Mazda
CX-5 (2012-up) - Should fit any pin backbox folded, system 3 will be tight vertically
CX-7 (2010) - Tried to move a badcats and it did not fit. Needed about another 2 inches of clearance. So, pins with a backbox that folds down will not fit; but older em/ss where the head comes off should be fine. You also could unbolt the head of the ones that fold and bring it down the playfield a bit; and they might fit.
CX-9 (2013) - Will fit all modern, folding pins. Biggest I've personally tried is Fish Tales with the topper.
Mazda5 (2010) - Will fit most modern, folding pins.
Tribute (2002) - Will fit all modern, folding pins.
3.20 Mitsubishi
Outlander (2009) - Has been used to move Williams Black Knight, Gottlieb 300, Williams Pin*Bot, Williams Flash, Gottlieb World Fair; will likely not hold a game with a non-standard plunger, such as a Terminator 2, Shadow, or Guns N' Roses.
3.21 Mercedes
Benz ML-350 (2005) - Will fit most pins.
3.22 Nissan
NV200 (2013-19) - Will fit at least one pin comfortably. Cargo area is 81" deep (with bulkhead partition installed) x 48" wide between wheel wells.
Pathfinder (Unspecified year) - Will fit any standard or wide body with the two back rows of seats folded down.
Rogue (2012) - Folded WPC will not fit. 29" from floor without mat to top of hatch. Must remove head.
Rogue Sport (2017) - Bally Arena fit snug when laid on its side, still had room length wise, height was snug.Had room for a dolly as well
Rogue (2023) - WPC will fit (Fish Tales with fishing rod shooter). SPIKE 2 will fit.
Murano (2012) - Folded WPC will not fit. Bumps on ceiling for hatch hinge and seat belt shoulder strap.
Versa (Unspecified year) - Will fit a WPC game, if the head is removed. Body sits in passenger seat with seat tilted all the way back. Driver's side rear door needs to have its pin removed, which limits how far the door opens. Cabinet can be slid into vehicle through driver's side rear. It's crazy, but I've seen this done first hand!
X-Trail (Unspecified year) - Will fit any standard or wide body with the rear seats folded down.
Xterra (2005-2015+) - Will fit most pins.
3.23 Oldsmobile
Cutlass Supreme (1995) - Was *just* able to handle the body of a 1978 Bally 'Lost World' accross the back seats (doors closed properly, but with very little free room); with the head removed and laid on its back in the trunk. Other GM W-Body cars of this era and even newer ones *may* be able to accomodate an equivalently sized game similarly.
3.24 Pontiac
Aztek (2001-2005) - Will fit most machines.
Matrix (2003-2010) - Will fit machines with head removed (including folding heads); includes WPC, System 11, Bally SS, and Bally wide body (specifically Paragon); load body shooter first, then slide in head next to it; place moving blanket between them and a ratchet strap over top. Hatch opening is too rounded by about 2" to fit with folding heads attached.
Vibe (Unspecified year) - Will NOT fit a pinball, hatch is too rounded.
3.25 Porsche
Cayenne (Unspecified year) - Will NOT fit a pinball, hatch is too rounded. It will fit an EM (GTB Rack-A-Ball).
3.26 Renaut
Clio (Unspecified year) - Everyone of my pinballs have been transported in my Renault Clio! In the last trip... a Firepower, me, my girlfriend and her Australian shepherd.
3.27 Saturn
Outlook (2007-2010) - Will fit all standard and wide body pinball machines with back seat folded down.
Vue (Unspecified year) - machines must be placed on their sides, but will fit.
3.28 Scion
Scion Xb (2003-2006) - Will fit any pin.
Scion Xb (2008+) - Will fit any pin, system 3 will scrape the roof but will squeeze in
Scion XD (all years) - Standard body pin with head removed will fit.
3.29 Subaru
Forester (2000+) - Back seats folded down - fits WPC, early 80's Bally, modern Stern, Williams Joust. Gottlieb System 3, late 80's Bally, Safecracker, Banzai Run has to be put in on their side.
Forester (2014-2015) - Back seats folded down - fits all early standard/widebody SS pins with the backbox removed. Fits pins with a folded height of 31" or less. Fits Williams System 11 & WPC standard/widebody, but may scrape the roof lining. Fits folding Gottlieb 80A games. Gottlieb System 80B & System 3 DMD games need to be on their side, or the backbox needs to be removed. Gottlieb ultra widebody games are a difficult fit--best way is lay the backbox down on the cabinet, but it will scrape the roof lining. Pin 2000 games will fit, but it's tight--the passenger seat needs to be pushed fully forward and the backbox must be removed and placed on its side.
GL Wagon (1979-1989) - All standard machines with removable backbox; back seat folded down.
Impreza hatchback (Unspecified year) - Gottlieb EMs (2 player) and Bally SS machines fit.
Outback (Unspecified year) - will NOT fit. Maybe able to get in mostly, but can't close hatch...not a good option for long trips.
Outback (2016) - will NOT fit a standard modern Stern machine. Will fit standard width early solid state machines that have removable (Non-hinged) head boxes. Tight fit around the hatch.
Outback Legacy (1994-1998) - will fit most pins. System 3 hang out the back about 6".
Outback Legacy (1998-2003) - will fit most pins with the child restraint anchor removed.
Outback Legacy (2003-2009) - should fit most pins.
3.30 Tesla
Model X - Will fit with great difficulty across the back seats loaded in sideways.
Cybertruck - Will not fit any machine from any manufacturer with head attached and tonneau cover closed.
3.31 Toyota
4Runner (2009+) - Will fit most modern machines. NIB will fit.
Corolla Wagon/hatchback (1992) - Will fit most modern machines.
FJ Cruiser (2007+) - Will fit most machines. NIB Stern will not allow hatch to close (about 6") - a bungee cord will help.
Highlander (2000-2007, 2013) - Will fit most modern machines.
Highlander (2018) - Will fit most modern machines. 2 early SS or EMs will fit between the wheel wells if you turn them on their sides, or put one in the front of the wheel wells. You can lay the heads on top of the bodies. There are 2 tiedowns near the 3rd row of seats.
Matrix (2003-2013) - Will fit machines with head removed (including folding heads); includes WPC, System 11, Bally SS, and Bally wide body (specifically Paragon); load body shooter first, then slide in head next to it; place moving blanket between them and a ratchet strap over top. The hatch opening is too rounded by about 2" to fit with folding heads attached.
Prius C (2012-2019) - If the backbox/head is removed, the back seats folded flat and the front seats moved up a Prius C will fit the body of a standard pinball machine with the rear hatch closed. It is recommended to put the taller head end of the machine in first so that it touches the front seats, this way it wont interfere with the sloped hatch and the front seats can be moved further back however it will fit in both directions. Should be able to hold a head removed wide body as there is about 38 1/2 inches of clear width in the hatch however that is untested. You maybe able to fit the backbox in the passenger seat with a pin in the back however it would be extremely tight, if its close just make another trip or bring another car and put it in the trunk. I was able to fit a standard dolly in the Prius C at the same time as the body of a pin but your results will differ based on your specific dolly.
Prius V (Unspecified year) - I was pleased to discover that the Prius V could handle a Black Hole and a Paragon. Different trips of course.
Prius 2010 Model 3 - Take the head off, rear seats down, cabinet with coin door towards rear. Front Passenger seat fully reclined, head spans over center console and onto the dash (wrapped in moving blanket) - propped up to keep head from kicking the car into neutral. - Not recommended - but it can be done!
RAV4 (Unspecified year) - Must remove rear seats.
RAV4 (2005-2015) - Fist most pins.
RAV4 (2007) - Easily handles modern games including space for an appliance dolly, after folding down the rear seats. Haven't tried NIB. Very flat entry and mostly flat floor (except for a little bump where the seats fold) so easy to load and unload, even by yourself.
RAV4 (2013) - Fist most pins, including Gottlieb System 3.
RAV4 (2019, 5th generation) - Fits a WPC, but with some issues. Seats do not lie flat which makes sliding the pin difficult. Head comes close to the roof, if not actually rubbing - try taking off any rubber protection on the back of the seat. If the game has a gun for the shooter, it can touch or come close to the driver's seat.
RAV4 (2022) - Fits games with head off. Fits a modern stern, but is incredibly tight
Sequoia (2008) - Fits pins no problem.
Sienna (2013) - will hold 2 pins with the middle seats removed. Both loaded from the back but the first pin is turned 90 degrees behind the front seats, second pin was loaded back box first. One pin will fit a 2004 with second row seats in place.
Tacoma Pre-Runner (Unspecified year) - fits great.
Venza (Unspecified year; possibly 2009 or 2010) - Back seat folded down. Tried to shoehorn a WMS Cyclone (System 11). Had to remove nuts from head side of hinge, and slide head forward approx. 3-4 inches on top of cabinet. Ground braid from cab to head had to be removed from stud in head. Very, very, very tight fit! Note: tallest measurement with head folded on Cyclone was 30".
3.32 Volkswagen
Atlas (2019-2023) - Will fit 1 machine without problems.
Golf TDi SportWagon (2015) - Will hold a machine; a bit too tight for a fold-down newer game though. Seats don't fold down flat, so there is a bit of a 'rise' on the folded seats. Have *not* tried the two '69' wedgies trick yet.
Jetta TDi SportWagon (2010-14) - Will hold a machine; a bit too tight for a fold-down newer game though. Seats fold down completely and lay flat. Can fit two wedgehead coffins on their sides in a '69' position. Then the two heads can barely fit on the passenger seat.
Passat Wagon (2005) - 30.5 inches of height. Will fit most machines, even DMD's. Dr Who & TZ fit no problem.
Sharan(Unspecified year) - Will fit 1 machine without problems.
Tiguan (2011) - Was able to fit a T2. It was fairly easy to get in but a bit tricky to remove.
Tiguan (2012) - Will NOT fit newer folded pins (about 1" too short), Early SS and EMs fit fine with the head removed, System 11 has also fit.
Toureg (Unspecified year) - Will hold machine, at least an early 70's version (like Bally Circus)
3.33 Volvo
240DL Station Wagon (1984) - Almost any pin fits (except Hercules) with the head folded down.