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# Verify continuity of the address lines (A0 through A12) and the data bus lines (D0 through D6) from the CPU to u9. | # Verify continuity of the address lines (A0 through A12) and the data bus lines (D0 through D6) from the CPU to u9. | ||
# Consider removing, testing, and replacing some of the chips involved with the logic for the 3rd flash, such as u13, u14, u16, and u17. One or more of these chips could possibly be bad. | # Consider removing, testing, and replacing some of the chips involved with the logic for the 3rd flash, such as u13, u14, u16, and u17. One or more of these chips could possibly be bad. | ||
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Revision as of 08:59, 19 October 2019
1 Introduction
Granny and the Gators was produced in 1984 by Bally. It is one of the few hybrid video/pinball games that were ever produced, and only the second of two hybrid games produced by Bally.
- Date Of Manufacture: January, 1984
- Theme: Video Game hybrid
- Notable Features: Flippers (2), Slingshots (2), 5-bank drop targets (1), Standup targets (8), Kick-out hole (1), Horseshoe lane, Kickback lane. Video score display.
2 Technical Info
- Type: Solid State Electronic (SS)
- A2 Power Module: AS-2518-132
- A3 HV-Combo Driver Module: AS-2518-107
- A4 Bally MPU Module: AS-2518-133 This is the same as the MPU used in Baby Pacman.
- A8 Sound Module: M-051-00114-B045 / A080-91603-B000 (Cheap Squeak)
- A? Video Module: AS-2518-121 Vidiot Deluxe
3 Documentation
3.1 Switch Matrix
| Strobe 0 | Strobe 1 | Strobe 2 | Strobe 3 | Strobe 4 | Strobe 5 | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| to Playfield | -- | A4J2-1 Wht-Red (51) | A4J2-2 Orn (70) | A4J2-3 Gry-Yel (93) | A4J2-4 Wht-Yel (53) | A4J2-5 Yel-Red (31) | A4J2-7 Orn-Blu (72) | |
| -- | to Cabinet | A4J3-2 (not used) | A4J3-3 Orn (70) | A4-J3-5 (not used) | A4-J3-6 (not used) | A4-J3-7 (not used) | A4-J3-8 (not used) | |
| Return I-0 | A4J2-8 Wht-Grn (54) | A4J3-9 Wht-Grn (54) | 1 #1 Canoe Rollover Button | 9 Not Used | 17 Not Used | 25 | 33 EXIT "T" Target | 41 Not Used |
| Return I-1 | A4J2-9 Brn-Yel (63) | A4J3-10 Brn-Yel (63) | 2 #2 Canoe Rollover Button | 10 Coin Chute (Left) | 18 Outhole Saucer | 26 | 34 EXIT "I" Target | 42 Not Used |
| Return I-2 | A4J2-10 Wht-Orn (57) | A4J3-11 (not used) | 3 #3 Canoe Rollover Button | 11 Coin Chute (Right) | 19 Top Right Gate | 27 Not Used | 35 EXIT "X" Target | 43 Not Used |
| Return I-3 | A4J2-11 Orn-Blk (78) | A4J3-12 (not used) | 4 #4 Canoe Rollover Button | 12 Not Used | 20 Not Used | 28 Not Used | 36 EXIT "E" Target | 44 Not Used |
| Return I-4 | A4J2-12 Brn (60) | A4J3-13 (not used) | 5 #5 Canoe Rollover Button | 13 Start Game for 2 Players | 21 Left Rollover Buttons (2) | 29 AMMO "O" Target | 37 POWER "P" Drop Target | 45 Not Used |
| Return I-5 | A4J2-13 Wht-Brn (56) | A4J3-14 (not used) | 6 #6 Canoe Rollover Button | 14 Start Game for 1 Player | 22 Right Return Lane | 30 AMMO "M" (1st) Target | 38 POWER "O" Drop Target | 46 Not Used |
| Return I-6 | A4J2-14 Brn-Wht (65) | A4J3-15 (not used) | 7 #7 Canoe Rollover Button | 15 Tilt (2) | 23 Left Return Lane | 31 AMMO "M" (2nd) Target | 39 POWER "W" Drop Target | 47 Not Used |
| Return I-7 | A4J2-15 Wht-Blu (52) | A4J3-16 Wht-Blu (52) | 8 #8 Canoe Rollover Button | 16 Slam | 24 POWER "R" Drop Target | 32 AMMO "A" Target | 40 POWER "E" Drop Target | 48 Not Used |
3.2 Combo Driver/Lamp Board
3.2.1 Lamp Chart
| SCR | conn. | lamp description | code | wire color | phase | tr type |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Q13 | A3J1-5 | 5 shots | 95 | Gry-Wht | A | 2N5060 |
| Q24 | A3J3-9 | 10 Shots | 30 | Yel | A | 2N5060 |
| Q11 | A3J1-7 | 20 Shots | 91 | Gry-Red | A | 2N5060 |
| Q29 | A3J3-3 | 30 Shots | 64 | Brn-Grn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q15 | A3J3-14 | Ammo Target "A" | 67 | Brn-Orn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q02 | A3J1-14 | Ammo Target "M" (first) | 53 | Wht-Yel | B | 2N5060 |
| Q15 | A3J3-14 | Ammo Target "M" (second) | 67 | Brn-Orn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q02 | A3J1-14 | Ammo Target "O" | 53 | Wht-Yel | A | 2N5060 |
| Q27 | A3J3-6 | Back Target "E" | 25 | Blu-Wht | A | 2N5060 |
| Q05 | A3J1-11 | Back Target "X" | 15 | Red-Wht | A | 2N5060 |
| Q06 | A3J1-10 | Back Target "I" | 81 | Blk-Red | A | 2N5060 |
| Q16 | A3J3-15 | Back Target "T" | 98 | Gry-Blk | A | 2N5060 |
| Q13 | A3J1-5 | Canoe #1 | 95 | Gry-Wht | B | 2N5060 |
| Q24 | A3J3-9 | Canoe #2 | 30 | Yel | B | 2N5060 |
| Q07 | A3J1-9 | Canoe #3 | 14 | Red-Grn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q20 | A3J3-12 | Canoe #4 | 40 | Grn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q16 | A3J3-15 | Canoe #5 | 98 | Gry-Blk | B | 2N5060 |
| Q27 | A3J3-6 | Canoe #6 | 25 | Blu-Wht | B | 2N5060 |
| Q05 | A3J1-11 | Canoe #7 | 15 | Red-Wht | B | 2N5060 |
| Q06 | A3J1-10 | Canoe #8 | 81 | Blk-Red | B | 2N5060 |
| Q19 | A3J3-13 | Kickback Lane "G" | 36 | Yel-Brn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q03 | A3J1-13 | Kickback Lane "O" | 21 | Blu-Red | B | 2N5060 |
| Q19 | A3J3-13 | Kickback Lane "L" | 36 | Yel-Brn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q03 | A3J1-13 | Kickback Lane "D" | 21 | Blu-Red | A | 2N5060 |
| Q23 | A3J3-10 | Left Return Lane 5 Shots | 13 | Red-Yel | B | 2N5060 |
| Q07 | A3J1-9 | Paddle Again | 14 | Red-Grn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q22 | A3J3-11 | Power Arrow "P" | 43 | Grn-Yel | B | 2N5060 |
| Q01 | A3J1-15 | Power Arrow "O" | 10 | Red | B | 2N5060 |
| Q22 | A3J3-11 | Power Arrow "W" | 43 | Grn-Yel | A | 2N5060 |
| Q01 | A3J1-15 | Power Arrow "E" | 10 | Red | A | 2N5060 |
| Q04 | A3J1-12 | Power Arrow "R" | 20 | Blu | A | 2N5060 |
| Q04 | A3J1-12 | Right Return Lane 5 shots | 20 | Blu | B | 2N5060 |
| Q14 | A3J1-4 | Rollover Button Left Lower | 56 | Wht-Brn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q14 | A3J1-4 | Rollover Button Left Upper | 56 | Wht-Brn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q25 | A3J3-8 | Saucer Extra Canoe | 78 | Orn-Blk | B | 2N5060 |
| Q29 | A3J3-3 | Saucer Power Paddle | 64 | Brn-Grn | B | 2N5060 |
| Q11 | A3J1-7 | Saucer Video Exit | 91 | Gry-Red | B | 2N5060 |
| Q25 | A3J3-8 | Spot Rollover Button | 78 | Orn-Blk | A | 2N5060 |
| Q20 | A3J3-12 | Super Paddle Flash | 40 | Grn | A | 2N5060 |
| Q08 | A3J2-12 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q08 | A3J2-12 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q09 | A3J2-11 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q09 | A3J2-11 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q10 | A3J2-10 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q10 | A3J2-10 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q12 | A3J1-6, J2-9 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q12 | A3J1-6, J2-9 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q17 | A3J2-5 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q17 | A3J2-5 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q18 | A3J2-7 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q18 | A3J2-7 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q21 | A3J2-3 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q21 | A3J2-3 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q23 | A3J3-10 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q26 | A3J2-1, J3-7 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q26 | A3J2-1, J3-7 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q28 | A3J2-4 | B | 2N5060 | |||
| Q28 | A3J2-4 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q30 | A3J2-2, J3-2 | A | 2N5060 | |||
| Q30 | A3J2-2, J3-2 | B | 2N5060 |
A Phase wire color is (90) Gry
B Phase wire color is (20) Blu
3.2.2 Solenoids Chart
| Sol. No | Solenoid description | Solenoid Type | Wire Code | Wire Color | Connector | Driver Transistor | Solenoid Coil Type |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Outhole | Momentary | 74 | Orn-Grn | A3J6-3 | Q37 | AO-27-1300 |
| 2 | 5 Drop Target Reset | Momentary | 78 | Orn-Blk | A3J6-4 | Q36 | NO-26-1900 |
| 3 | Right Kickback | Momentary | 71 | Orn-Red | A3J6-7 | Q35 | AN-26-1200 |
| 4 | Top Saucer | Momentary | 91 | Gry-Red | A3J6-8 | Q34 | AO-27-1300 |
| 5 | Flipper enabling relay | Continuous | -- | -- | -- | Q40 | 48V Relay |
| 6 | Momentary | A3J5-4 | Q31 | ||||
| 7 | Momentary | A3J6-12 | Q32 | ||||
| 8 | Momentary | A3J6-11 | Q33 | ||||
| 9 | Continuous | A3J6-1 | Q38 | ||||
| 10 | Continuous | A3J6-2 | Q39 |
| Flipper Circuits | Power Wire | Flipper Coil Wire | Flipper Connector | Flipper Button Wire | Button Connector | Coil |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Left Flipper | 60 (Brn) | 40 (Grn) | A3J10-5 | 20 (Blu) | A3J11-3 | AQ-25-500/34-4500 |
| Right Flipper | 60 (Brn) | 70 (Orn) | A3J10-4 | 10 (Red) | A3J11-5 | AQ-25-500/34-4500 |
3.3 Sound Board
A Bally Cheap Squeak sound board is used in the game. See the main section on the Bally page about this board.
3.3.1 Vidiot Deluxe Board
The vidiot deluxe board is responsible for running video portion of the game, accepting input from the cabinet control buttons, and displaying output to the monitor.
Baby pacman had a similar board, but the vidiot board in Baby Pacman and the vidiot deluxe board in Granny and the Gators are different and are not interchangeable.
Note that 1st and 2nd flashes are from the sound board. This is because the sound board and vidiot board share the same line for the LED. If the vidiot deluxe board is being tested on the bench, there will be a 3-4 second delay (to allow for the sound board flashes) before the vidiot board flash sequence begins with the 3rd flash.
4 Problems & Fixes
4.1 Vidiot Deluxe Board
4.1.1 Corroded chip legs
A few of the larger chips may corrode and disintegrate and will need to be replaced. This was typical of certain chips made around this time.
These chips cannot be saved (without extreme measures, such as dremmeling into the plastic to reach clean metal, soldering on new legs, and finally sealing with epoxy).
Additionally, the corrosion can also destroys pads and traces. Be careful when removing the chip from the board--the pads and traces on this board are somewhat fragile.
Replace the chip(s) (new or NOS replacements will not have corrosion issues), repair any board damage, then be sure to do continuity testing to verify there are no broken traces.
4.1.2 3rd flash locks on or does not light
- Verify that all the incoming and regulated board voltages are correct.
- Verify that the reset signal goes high and reaches u3 (CPU chip), u27 (PIA chip), u19 (VDP chip), and u28 (VDP chip)
- Verify that the u9 game ROM is not corrupted and matches the u9 ROM data file. You will need an EPROM burner to read and compare the chip's data to the u9 ROM file.
- Verify continuity of the u9 socket to the traces on the board. Replace the socket if necessary.
- Verify continuity of the address lines (A0 through A12) and the data bus lines (D0 through D6) from the CPU to u9.
- Consider removing, testing, and replacing some of the chips involved with the logic for the 3rd flash, such as u13, u14, u16, and u17. One or more of these chips could possibly be bad.
Return to Bally/Stern page.